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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:02:00 -
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If you have to spy to win in PvP, you really suck. Not just a little either.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:05:00 -
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This is my main now!
1 character sold to IAC member. 1 character deleted.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:10:00 -
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Hey genius. This isn't real life! This is a game! Using real life to justify conduct in a game is pathetic and stupid. Here watch:
Well since the CIA spys, it should be ok for NFL teams to spy on other teams!
Tell your momma I am coming over to spank you.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 17:15:00 -
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Let's be perfectly clear what spying is here. Spying occurs when people intentionally join a corporation to get access to their TS and forum servers and use that information to influence efforts in game. For example, the action of a certain corporation having their spy reset all TS settings shutting down the TS server in the middle of an enormous fleet engagement.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Areena Shay on 02/10/2007 17:51:58
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Areena Shay Let's be perfectly clear what spying is here. Spying occurs when people intentionally join a corporation to get access to their TS and forum servers and use that information to influence efforts in game. For example, the action of a certain corporation having their spy reset all TS settings shutting down the TS server in the middle of an enormous fleet engagement.
so, in your opinion that is wrong; BUT, it's alright to make a deal with an alliance, say, they pay you X billion isk a month, in exchange for your alliance to protect them and keep them safe in their systems; then, when an attack comes, your alliance leaves them hanging in the breeze, AFTER pocketing quite a few billion isk.
that's ok?
Spying on TS and disabling TS services and forums means you suck at Eve and your response is to raise some obscure point completely irrelevant to this discussion as justification? Did you get a degree in debate from ACME or Wal-Mart? Since no doubt this response is way over your head, let's break it down into 2 simple questions:
(1) Where did I ever say what you posed is ok?
(2) How is your point relevant to a discussion about spying?
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 19:17:00 -
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As I specifically said, I have no problem with in game techniques such as watching hostile fleets. The out of game spying via forums and TS access and crippling TS services are beyond the pale.
As for being anti-goon, of course I am. I have great admiration for a number of anti-Bob corps, like IAC. It sickens me that IAC has to align with Goons for any reason. Goons are a virus, pure and simple.
As for being pro-Bob, hardly. I fought through the ASCN wars against Bob. But I admit at this point if I had to align with Bob or Goons, I would have to pick Bob. My God that just goes to show how utterly pathetic Goons PR engine is.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldaine Edited by: Kaldaine on 02/10/2007 19:22:53
Originally by: Vyres
Originally by: Kaldaine
Originally by: Vyres
Originally by: Pezzle Spying itself may not seem so bad, but an air of tolerance will encourage all the other terrible behavior we have seen. TS/Forum spying, hacking, public smear campaigns and the like. It is bad for the game, being 'a part of the game' is not relevant. Nothing is done so anything goes.
Spying does nothing to improve the quality of this game.
I really REALLY hope you refering to TS hacking has nothing to do with rise TS or else you should just delete your post its ok Ill edit this one too if you still want to save face.
Goonswarm and RISE arent the only alliances to play eve stop taking everything personally. You prolly should not post at all and can try to delete yours but Im gonna leave mine up cause you are dumb and I would like the world to know.
Yes your so right I see the errors of my way. Please let me know one other TS hacking incident in oh a year and ill submit to your obvious superior intellect.
Let me point out you're (note the 're its a contraction of you are this is just an example for you) errors. You imply actually you say that what we did to RISE was hacking when in fact it was poor security on the part of RISE and a bunch of Goons getting their hands on the TS password. Along with this there have been several incidents in the last year although I believe only one (I think it was to CoW or someone from the North) was a direct, malicious attack from an outside group. Finally nowhere in his post did Pezzle mention Goonswarm, BoB, ASCN, RISE or anyone else who has been targeted by "attacks", which to me is most indicative that he was not actually talking about anyone even though he also just posted to that effect.
Hopefully, with your obviously inferior intellect your next post consists of you putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger, ie vis a vis eg ipso facto kill yourself.
So in other words, you agree that you did invade their TS. You agree you did it with the intent to malign their TS services. Of course, what you did when you got there is the issue. Did you malign the TS server or did you simply listen?
Using the "but Bob did it to me first" defense as justification to do it to someone else is ridiculous.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 20:05:00 -
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I am fairly certain that the criminal hacking statutes are slightly more relevant than Sun Tzu when it comes to computer intrusion. Was Sun Tzu a hacker?
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 20:13:00 -
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I am personally very happy that Sun Tzu would approve of hacking. So when a corp hacks another TS server again, they can defend themselves from criminal sanctions by declaring the "Sun Tzu" defense! Good stuff.
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Areena Shay
Shay Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.10.02 20:35:00 -
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You say you had a password. Quite possible you hacked. Question for the jury I suspect.
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